in a Tex-Mex restaurant. His
unable to utter his name, renamed him Jalapeño.
If I ask for a goldfish, he spits a glob of phlegm
into a jar of water. The silver letters
on his black belt spell Sangrón. Once, borracho,
dinner, he said: Jesus wasn't a snowman.
Arriba Orizaba. Packed
into a car trunk, he was smuggled into the States.
Frijolero. Greaser. In Tucson he branded
cattle. He slept in a stable. The horse blankets
oddly fragrant: wood smoke, lilac. He's an illegal.
I'm an Illegal-American.
Once, in a grove
of saguaro, at dusk, I slept next to
him. I woke
with his thumb in my mouth. ¿No qué no
tronabas, pistolita? He learned English
by listening to the radio. The first four words
he memorized: In God We Trust. The fifth:
Percolate. Again and again I borrow his clothes.
He calls me Scarecrow. In Oregon he picked apples.
to entertain his cuates, around a campfire,
he strummed a guitarra, sang corridos. Arriba
Arriba Orizaba. Packed into
a car trunk, he was smuggled into the States.
Greaser. Beaner. Once, borracho, at breakfast,
he said: The heart can only be broken
once, like a window. ¡No mames! His favorite
belt buckle: an águila perched on a nopal.
If he laughs out loud, his hands tremble.
Bugs Bunny wants to deport
him. César Chávez
wants to deport him.
When I walk through
the desert, I wear his shirt. The gaze of the moon
stitches the buttons of his shirt to my skin.
The snake hisses. The snake is torn.
I draw the curtains. The room darkens, but
the mirror still reflects
a crescent moon.
I pull the crescent out,
a rigid curve
into a length of cloth.
I wrap the cloth around
and I'm peering through a crack in a wall
for Gloria Anzaldúa
For the past fifteen
years, six days a week, at half past eight,
Jorge has biked into my checkpoint station. He hawks
over his papers,
allows me to examine his lunch box,
& then wheels off to his twelve hour shift at the pallet & crate
factory. I'm close to madness. I suspect
he's been smuggling contraband,
prescription or illegal.
He sports new toupees under a cap depicting an eagle
devouring a snake. He rides spit-shined
bikes that I inspect
by taking them apart, checking
inside the hollow
pipes, sometimes slicing open the tires, but so far, nothing.
Jorge always remains calm, &
doesn't say a damn thing.
Yesterday, a few days from my retirement, I swallowed
my pride, & swore, if he told me the truth, to keep my lips tight.
The bastard smiled, & causally replied,
I smuggle bikes.
INS transcript, Sofia:
I kept my mother's advice
to myself. Before crossing the Tijuana/San Diego border,
in a bathroom stall, I sprinkled
on my underwear. We slipped through a fence like mice
& waited in a neighborhood park. Hourly, vans
arrived, & we were packed in, driven up river-wide asphalt
toward families, jobs. Sweat soaked our clothes, salted
our skin. Suddenly we stopped on an isolated road. Bandits
stepped from the trees. The men were forced face down
in a ravine. The women were ordered to undress at gunpoint.
I unbuckled my belt, lowered my jeans. Sweat,
powder had stained my underwear a reddish brown.
was one of ten women. Our mouths were taped.
I was spit on. I was slapped. The other women were raped.
Sapo & I wait for the cool of night under mesquite.
days in the desert & we're still too close to Mexico,
still so far from God. Sapo's lips so dry he swabs the pus
from the ampollas on his toes across his mouth. I flip a peso.
Heads: we continue. Tails: we walk toward the highway,
thumb our way back to Nogales. The peso disappears into
but the hard-on in Sapo's jeans, slightly curved, points west.
I catch a cascabel & strip off its meat.
Sapo mutters, No que no guey.
I bury its forked
tongue: for one night our names won't flower
in the devil's throat. We're Indios but no grin-
go will mistake us
for Navajos. Above us an owl grins
like Cantinflas. The arms of the saguaros strike down the hours
but the sun refuses to set. Sapo shits behind a cluster of nopales,
shouts out our favorite joke, No tengo papeles!
-from Slow Lightning
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Eduardo C. Corral earned degrees from Arizona
State University and the University of Iowa Writers’ Workshop. His debut collection of poetry, Slow Lightning (2012),
won the Yale Younger Poets Prize, making him the first Latino recipient of the award. Praised for his seamless blending
of English and Spanish, tender treatment of history, and careful exploration of sexuality, Corral has received numerous
honors and awards, including the Discovery/The Nation Award, the J. Howard and Barbara M.J. Wood Prize, a Whiting
Writers’ Award, and a fellowship from the National Endowment for the Arts. A CantoMundo Fellow, he has held the
Olive B. O’Connor Fellowship in Creative Writing at Colgate University and was the Philip Roth Resident in Creative
Writing at Bucknell University. He lives in New York City.
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A Review of Eduardo C. Corral's Slow
Lightning by Anna Journey, first published
at The Kenyon Review
/ performing / an autopsy on my shadow,” writes Eduardo C. Corral in “Self-Portrait with Tumbling and Lasso.”
Elliptically narrative, imagistic, musical, and fabular, the poems in Corral’s debut poetry collection, Slow
Lightning, explore the shadowy borderlands of both gay and Chicano identity while adapting and altering aspects of
magical realism. In Corral’s supernatural border culture, the stolen shadow of a vulture longs for its master; a mother’s
kneecaps emerge as watermarks in the rain; a son borrows his father’s shirt as the gaze of the moon “stitches”
the buttons to his skin; a finch pecks the moles off a speaker’s body; the coyote ears in a composite pelt perk up
one by one at the recitation of a name; and a black fish leaps from the small of a person’s back. When describing
the manner in which Corral’s imagination defies verisimilitude, one’s tempted to conjure the striking amalgamations
of the marvelous and mundane in the unrealities of Borges or García Márquez. Corral, however, subverts even
as he honors his folksy incarnations of magical realism by confronting the political realities sometimes absent in the
genre. His poems consistently reveal the nightmarish subjugation and manifold experiences of illegal refugees within his
most enigmatic fantasias.
Like Robert Hayden’s
“Bone-Flower Elegy” in which “presences in vulture masks / play scenes of erotic violence / on a scaffold
stage,” Corral’s employment of fantasy is often erotically charged or grotesque, evoking the Chicana queer
theorist Gloria Andzaldúa’s notion in Borderlands/La Frontera that in primal Chicano, Mexican, and
some Indian cultures, there is “a magic aspect in abnormality and so-called deformity” (41). In Corral’s
second poem titled “Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome,” for example, a herd of moonlit mules surround the
pluming out different lengths
toss off my robe. A mule
curls its tongue around
Elsewhere, in the poem “In Colorado My Father Scoured and Stacked Dishes,” Corral evokes a “magic
aspect in abnormality” as his speaker attempts to define himself against the cultural identity and heteronormativity
of his immigrant father, juxtaposing the seductive scents of horse blankets with the fraught physical (and psychological)
encounter between father and son:
Tucson he branded
cattle. He slept in a stable. The horse blankets
oddly fragrant: wood smoke, lilac. He’s an illegal.
I’m an Illegal-American. Once in a grove
of saguaro at dusk, I slept next to him. I woke
thumb in my mouth. ¿No que no
way Corral’s speaker is drawn to the body of his father in sleep manages to be both comforting (a child sucking a
thumb to console himself) and creepy (a man sucking the phallic appendage of his own father). To the speaker’s hypermasculine
cowboy father, who in shock (or perhaps disgust) likens the thumb in his son’s mouth to a pistol about to fire,
homosexuality and incest seem equally dangerous and taboo. Corral’s speaker realizes the many divisions—generational,
cultural, linguistic, sexual—between himself and his father, and names his own hybrid identity: “I’m
an Illegal-American.” Whereas Corral figures his speaker’s father as a Mexican folk hero who “strummed
a guitarra, sang corridos,” the speaker, even as he borrows his father’s shirt, cannot escape the painful
illumination of the moon, which highlights his otherness. Like the pitiless moon in Plath’s “Edge,” “staring
from her hood of bone,” the moon in Corral’s poem makes a similarly stark witness to a kind of gothic self-transformation
as its gaze “stitches the buttons of his shirt to my skin.”
In addition to the “magic aspect”
of sexuality in Corral’s poems, Andzaldúa’s concept of the borderland as a physical, spiritual, and
psychological space is also important when considering his repeated use of the border motif:
A borderland is a vague and undetermined
place created by the emotional residue of an unnatural boundary. It is in a constant state of transition. The prohibited
and forbidden are its inhabitants. Los atravesados live here: the squint-eyed, the perverse, the queer, the troublesome,
the mongrel, the mulatto, the half-breed, the half dead; in short, those who cross over, pass over, or go through the
confines of the normal. (25)
Corral’s evocation of borders in Slow Lightning can be
literal (as in the sonnet sequence “Border Triptych” in which a border patrol agent, a Mexican woman, and a
Native American man each speak) as well as metaphorical (the dark and light divisions of watermarks, shadows, moles, smalls
of backs, etc…). Whether literal or figurative, Corral suggests, borders tend toward flux rather than fixedness,
even within one’s own being. In the fabular lament, “Monologue of a Vulture’s Shadow,”
I long to return to my master
knew neither fear nor patience
My master who years ago spiraled
trudging through the desert.
raised her face & cursed us:
Torches of Plague, Turd Blossoms.
out with her hands,
me to her shoulders.
I called for my master.
fell across her shoulders like a black shawl.
In addition to offering a magical take on Hegel’s
master-slave dialectic—that myth of self-consciousness in which two aspects of a person’s consciousness strive
for lordship over the other—Corral slyly politicizes and eroticizes this struggle through the poem’s postcolonial
awareness and subtle echoes of S&M. In this fable of self-consciousness and desire for wholeness, the speaker remains
submissive to its master, the latter of whom seems a coolly deliberate scavenger who circles the desert, perhaps on the
lookout for a vulnerable border crosser, such as the witchy shadow-thief.
Corral imbues the figure of the desert wanderer
with magic as she curses the speaker. Her profanities—“Black Torches of Plague, Turd Blossoms”—allow
her dominance over the shadow, which she appropriates and transforms into “a black shawl” embroidered with
red thread. It’s hard not to think of the witchy power of language in the poem—even its curses, even as we
sympathize with the desires of the shadow—as an ars poetica. At the end of “Monologue of a Vulture’s
Shadow,” Corral reveals that uniting the disparate aspects of oneself may be ultimately impossible, as the borders
of our subjectivities keep shifting:
my master soared so high
ceased to blacken the earth.
What became of me in those
the scent of decay always lured my master
As my master ate, I ate.
In Slow Lightning, Corral’s fantastical
transformations often seem realistic depictions of desire. The self, he also suggests, is always engaged in the process
of transition. And even if the reconciliation of one’s multiple selves might seem at times fantastical, the hunger
that drives the assembling and reassembling of our desires is a mighty power we must feed, nurture, and finally obey.
of Slow Lightning at Lambda Literary
Poems - Bio - Reviews - Interviews - Reading
An Interview with Eduardo C. Corral by Yezmin Villarreal, first published at BOMB Magazine
Eduardo C. Corral reminds us that when we listen for poetry, it is memory we hear. The “truth” won’t
help you write a poem—Emily Dickinson’s famous dictum, “tell the truth, but tell it slant,” applies
on each and every page in the mind of Corral. The more autobiographical a poem sounds, the more fictional it is, he says,
because it is important to kick yourself out of your usual language habits. This conversation reminded me that poetry
doesn’t always sit with or in language; the poets we enjoy and the communities and movements they are associated
with are touchstones for poets to enter into the very community of writers they study. The visual iconography of our lives
is just as much of a companion to our words and their associative meanings as is a book by our favorite writer.
look back at its history, Arizona has never been a place with easy access or privilege to those outside the norm, and yet
Slow Lightning does not impose itself like the thorny geography and history of the native state that inspired
many of the poems. The collection is both an ode and a Dear John letter to it's author's homestate of Arizona.
Villarreal Rivera: Slow Lightning sets a soundtrack through the sounds of violins, guitars,
accordions, and corridos. Are you a musician? What is it about music and instruments that complements your writing?
C. Corral: I am not a musician. It is one of the skills I wish I had—to play an instrument. I took
a year of high school piano but I don’t remember a single thing from that year. I do remember one thing. My teacher
had perfect pitch, so each time I played piano, his face contorted in pain. So that tells you right away that I had no
musical gifts as a performer of any kind of instrument. (laughter) It’s always been one of my biggest regrets.
grew up in a working-class family in Southern Arizona. For many working-class families, music is one of the richest treasures
they have access to. It’s cheaply available, on the radio or on T.V. We came from a Mexican-American
background so we were always listening to Rancheras, Banda music, and Corridos. I remember watching
these bands on TV on Sundays—they were all lip-syncing, but I didn’t know that as a child. The cameras always
panned on the instruments, and I was always stunned when it was focusing on a wind instrument, a string instrument, or a
brass instrument—guitars, cellos, violins, tubas, and French horns. I remember those images—they stayed with
me growing up. I loved how they looked. They are beautiful, sculpted objects.
I remember something from those
days very vividly—I must have been 12 or 13 and flipping through channels. I was watching an older woman playing
a mandolin, and it was during the time in middle school that I was learning about art. I saw her holding the mandolin tenderly
and I thought, Oh, that looks like a pietá. I remember making that leap, like, Oh, a woman holding a mandolin looks
like a pietá.
YVR: Picking up on metaphor?
Yes, Virgin Mary holding her child, a Christ-figure, that’s a pietá. The song she was playing was very mournful,
so it fit with that leap I made. That was my first leap into this figurative landscape, like, Oh, things can become more
than what they are through the imagination.
original manuscript had musical instruments in the title, right?
They both did. The working title for the longest time was Asleep Inside An Old Guitar. I worked on this book
for nine years and I got sick of looking at it on the screen. I said, I just can’t look at you anymore. It only gestures
to one kind of element of the work—the surrealist kind of work, the folkloric elements here and there, so it was a
bad title. I sent it off with another, even worse title—Border with Violin. When it got the Yale Younger
Poets Prize, it was announced with that title. The second title had the same issue—it only gestures to one element
in the work, the border gaze, so that was problematic. When I first talked to Carl Phillips, one of the first things he
said to me was, Love the work, but we might have to work on the title. So we worked out the title.
How did you come up with Slow Lightning?
Well, the way we came to it is really odd. I said, Well, I’m struggling here, how about you give me some title suggestions?
The first title Carl suggested was Black Petals because it comes from the lines, “When I’d yawn,/he’d
pluck black petals out of my mouth,” in the opening poem, “Our Completion: Oil on Wood: Tino Rodriguez: 1999.”
He said each poem could be like a black petal placed in the mouth of the reader or plucked out of the mouth of the reader,
but my friend Rigoberto Gonzalez had a forthcoming book that very same year called Black Blossoms. His second
suggestion was Slow Lightning, and when he told me that over the phone, I paused and then he said to me, You
don’t like it, huh? I paused because my MFA thesis title at Iowa nine years before was titled
Stars Over the Slowest Lightning. He had no way of knowing that. I took it as an omen. I told Carl that and
he said, I think we should go with that. It makes sense as a title because the speakers and the poems always have a yearning,
a longing for something to be struck by either the touch of another human being, epiphany, truth, or beauty.
YVR: You have said that the poems in your Master’s thesis manuscript made you blush
because they clung to memory, and they were like photo captions of memories. You spent nine years writing Slow Lightning.
How did your poems transition from making you blush to publishing your first book? Do they still make you blush?
ECC: I am a very slow writer. What made me especially slow is I was trying to write poems
that would describe photographs from memory. I forced the language to tell the “truth,” to stick with what
I knew, which is a terrible, terrible way to tackle poetry because it leaves a great element out—the imagination,
the music, and it forces language to do something instead of listening to it. This was my biggest breakthrough
about four or five years after graduate school. I sat down with a phrase in my mind, wrote it down, and just unpacked
it. I played with the syllables, the vowels, the consonants, and then something happened. I wrote another interesting
noun, an adjective, and I followed that and it led to a line. Then I followed that line and it led to a stanza that I was
happy with. So that little moment showed me that it’s not the subject matter at all. The subject matter is secondary;
language is king. You have to follow the language, the music, and it’s a long, complex process. It doesn’t
come to you quickly. Those first poems actually came pretty quickly because I knew what I wanted to write about and I
had some skill with image-making, metaphor, and similes. I knew how to write a poem in graduate school, and it looked and
sounded alright, but there was no spark, no soul, no mystery, and no music.
And if there’s no music, there’s
no poetry. I made a huge leap after graduate school, which no one taught me about in graduate school. You listen to the
words, to the music inherent in words.
YVR: Is it like that feeling
you get when you read a writer you’ve never read before and experience language in a way that creates a new opening
in your mind about the possibilities of language?
it sounds uncanny and mysterious, but you know, we are all sponges. We are absorbing all the language around us. All the
language we’ve read. All the language we’ve spoken and the language that’s been spoken to us throughout
our lives. When we actually sit down and are attentive to words, to language, all of it comes. All the language comes
YVR: Right, and it’s not always just language—
ECC: —Exactly. Language is visual, but it is also sonic and historical because words
have etymologies. All things start coming into play. Words have specific socio-cultural contexts. Words can be tied specifically
to environment, ethnic background, and sexual orientation. It’s amazing what language does—it’s everything.
YVR: Slow Lightning is an ekphrastic manuscript in many ways. You use the
form in different ways, but you also experiment with shape, language, and code-switching. Why the ekphrastic poem? What
does that specific space elicit?
ECC: Some of the ekphrastic
poems gesture towards the pieces that inspired them, and some of the pieces do not approach the original piece. You can’t
imagine it or see it visually after reading the poem.
It’s a translation of a translation.
ECC: Yes, some people told
me, You shouldn’t be calling those ekphrastic poems because they’re misleading! (laughter) I wrote the
language and sometimes it led me to the original art work and sometimes it led me away from it.
The ekphrastic poems in the collection
are always based on pieces that I had a visceral emotional reaction to. No matter if I saw them in a catalog or in person
at a museum. When I have that kind of reaction to a piece of art, I know I must write about it. I jot down the materials,
the date it was executed, and I take a picture of it, and keep it, hold it with me for a while. I remember when I first
saw “Untitled Perfect Lovers,” the Felix Gonzalez Torres piece at the MoMA in ’07. It is two commercial
battery-operated wall clocks placed side-by-side on a wall. Many people walked past it. They looked like an odd display
of clocks, but I knew I had seen the piece online before, so I paused and stared at it. One clock eventually dies. The
juice runs out. The other one continues on. It signifies loss, and absence of the beloved. Felix Gonzalez passed away
of AIDS in ’96 and his partner passed away before him, so I knew what he was reliving—his own personal narrative,
the absence of his lover. One clock dies, so to speak, and the other one continues, but eventually that clock dies too,
but then the batteries are replaced in both and the cycle continues. It’s utterly poetic, brutal, but also cyclical.
It continues and continues. I stood looking at that piece for about 30 minutes—crying a little bit here and there.
I had a connection to that piece because of Gonzalez’s life story. I’m sure people were walking by thinking,
Oh, great, another New York City crazy. (laughter)
My favorite paintings have a lot going on.
I like abstract paintings, collages, and figurative work. Weird brush strokes. Applied materials. Texture. When I look
at those type of paintings, I go from looking at one part of the canvas, to another place, and then another. It mimics
the way I write some of my poems. I make these visual leaps. I go from here, to there, and there. I’m never just
focused on one part of the canvas. I have to move my gaze around.
That reminds me of Robert Rauschenberg’s work.
his mobile constructions. You are not only looking at the wall that the painting is attached to, but you have to look around
because some of his pieces extend to the floor. He extends the gaze of the viewer. But even with these different angles
of looking at a painting, most of the time a painting is constrained by a frame, and to me that is the structure, the
sonic images that we have in poetry.
YVR: Like a form—
ECC: —Yeah, it’s a form. A poem is a container, although it may have many wild
leaps, gazes, or angles of approach.
YVR: Although the manuscript
treats serious subjects, you employ playful language and humor.
As poets, we wrestle with language on the page but we also play with it. I’m always mishearing things in
conversations on the subway and it always makes me smile. It always comes when I’m drafting something humorous or
tenuous. Black humor is never really like chuckle laughter—it’s a wetted down kind of humor.
YVR: Kind of witty—
—Yes, well, it tries to be witty, but if you try too hard to be witty, you are not witty. It’s another example
of being open to different sorts of language and music. Humor has this place in my life. I love humor. I love being funny
and I love being around people who are funny. I often think of my poems as people I’m hanging around with. I want
some of them to be mopey and depressing because I like mopey and depressive people, but I also want some of them to be
YVR: For example in, “Poem After Frida Kahlo’s Painting
The Broken Column,” you make jokes like, “Why do Mexicans make tamales at Christmas? So they have something
to unwrap.” (laughter)
ECC: I know! I remember when
my mom first told me that. My mom really did tell us that. I was like, Wow, mom. (laughter) We all started laughing.
We were young when she told us that. It’s always stuck with me. Like, Okay, this is our reality, but within this
working-class background there are always moments of joy, of pleasure—you could be poor and happy. We don’t
want to romanticize poverty, or the working-class, but people live their lives in these landscapes and they survive. Some
of them thrive emotionally, so humor reminds me that it’s possible to thrive, even in the darkest corners.
YVR: At your book release party at NYU, you mentioned the ban of the ethnic studies program
in the Tucson Unified School District in Arizona. You touch on a variety of subject matters in this book, but a theme that
arises consistently is that of immigration. How did the banning of books in Tucson influence you?
Some people could read this book as very political. I like to think of myself as the Tucson Unified High School District’s
worst nightmare because I am exactly the type of student they want to erase or put in the margins. I come from a working-class
background in Arizona. I have a Chicano Studies degree from Arizona State University, but that degree, that knowledge of
my own culture and people did not make me ethnocentric nor narrow my possibilities. It opened many doors to me. My unpacking
of my own ethnic background, my own specific history showed me how connected I am to every other culture in the world.
All this mestizaje, and all this mixture. Learning about my own people, my culture enlarged my worldview and
made me feel connected to the world in vital ways that I still depend on.
You allude to many writers in the book such as Robert Hayden, Gloria Anzaldúa, and José Montoya. How did
those writers influence you?
ECC: Robert Hayden is the
foundational figure for me for two reasons: first, craft-wise. I just love a well-crafted poem and so many of his poems
are well-crafted. Beautiful poems. Sonically gorgeous, visually interesting, and his rhetorical arguments are stunning.
They seem very simple but once you start digging underneath the surface of his poems, so many things are going on. He
makes many connections under the surface. It’s amazing. He taught me the supreme importance of craft. As a poet,
I have to take this, my art, seriously. Very seriously. One extension of that is whenever I publish a poem in a journal,
I always take my contributor’s copies, and take a sharpie to my poem in the pages of that journal. I say, Okay,
maybe I don’t need that comma. Maybe I should take out that adjective. Maybe I should just switch these two lines.
Just to remind myself—it’s continual. You always have to keep thinking about how to make a poem better. Rarely
do I keep those revisions I do on the page of the journals. For me they are a ritual that helps me remember—it’s
about the craft, it’s about the art.
and the poem can change over time, right?
ECC: It can change. Robert
Hayden would change many of his poems that were published in journals and books. Donald Justice would still tinker and
revise poems after they were published in books. Many people do that. It’s annoying for critics and scholars, but
the poet has to do what the poet has to do.
example of that is the infamous Marianne Moore poem: “I, too, dislike poetry.”
Yes, it’s a two-liner, but it’s a longer poem that she kept alternating. I have a lot of influences in the
work. I like to wear my influences on my sleeve and they vary from Chicano poets and writers like Lorna Dee Cervantes and
José Montoya, who’s very famous for his code-switching poems, which were a vital influence for me. People
like Jean Valentine, Bei Dao, and Rita Dove are very important writers to me. Henri Cole. C.D. Wright. They are all there
in my book. I see their influences. I like that. I think a lot of young writers and I suffer from this—we wear our
influences on our sleeves, but then we worry that our influences are too visible in the work. One way to counter that is
by not being focused on just one poet, or one kind of school or aesthetic. Become a really good reader of many different
kinds of poems and poets. Obsess over more than just one poet. Let it be someone who’s dead, a master, but also someone
who’s living, who’s still practicing their art, perfecting their own tools. It’s ok to be obsessed and
love the living. I do. Henri Cole and C.D. Wright are very important to me. I always tell young
writers—bring the dead inside of you. A handful. Absorb the dead. Have the living inside of you but also their masters,
the people before us who achieved respect and admiration in the poetry world. They achieved that for a reason. Take those
inside of you, I say. Absorb multiple writers so you don’t sound like one person. Let’s be honest, I mean, if
you flip through contemporary journals right now, you will find young writers who are so enamored of a certain poet, and
they sound exactly like them. Those poets are definitely working out those influences. I always go back to my own work
and give those writers their space. Ok, I’m going to listen to your work and what you’re doing, but it makes
me aware of my own process. Am I really trying to mimic somebody else or trying to strike out my own?
YVR: So it’s important to jump out of the canon you are taught in school?
ECC: When I talk to MFA students, they always ask me, what should
I read? If I read some of their poems, I might say, oh, you would benefit from X,Y, and Z, this
poets work. I’ll always ask them this—which poets are being celebrated in your MFA program?
Which poets are being pushed by your professors? And I say, Ok, you read those poets, but then you read the poets who
are on the opposite spectrum of that aesthetic. Search those poets out. Search poets who are not being talked about in
your workshop. Or even better, read the poets who are being dismissed in your workshop by your professors or your classmates.
Read those poems. Do not rely on somebody else’s opinions. And I say, Don’t just focus on the contemporary.
A lot of MFA students just focus on the contemporary. Read from different historical time periods,
read translated work, and read from across the world.
You are at work on your next book on the artist Martín Ramírez. What is it about his work and life that
inspired a full-length collection?
ECC: The idea for the second
project is to revolve around Martín Ramírez in multiple ways—persona poems in his voice, but also ekphrastic
poems based on his collages and drawings. I saw his drawings first in ’07 in New York. I was visiting a friend and
the American Folk Art Museum had an exhibit of his drawings and collages. I went there and I recognized the elements of
Mexican cities, churches, the Madonna, and men and women on horses. I recognized those figures. I recognized the colors
too. The colors that he used reminded me very much of Aztec codices. Very natural pigments. I wonder how it came to him
or if he was aware of that connection to the codices.
They were just beautiful, beautiful drawings.
Apparently he had mental issues and was picked up by police in the late ’20s. For the rest of his life he was hospitalized
in mental institutes in California. He died in 1963. All this time he was drawing and drawing. By chance his doctors recognized
his gift, and there were people who talked about his work and exhibited his work while he was still alive. After he passed
away, he was forgotten. Here and there, a revival, but it was forgotten for the most part. That’s what fascinates
me. He was scuttled away from society in mental institutes in California, yet he produces a body of work that is saved
by his doctors in garages. They had a chance to be destroyed. Any moment someone could have thrown those boxes away. They
could have been damaged by rain or weather, but they survived and got noticed again. His body of work becomes elevated.
It gains currency in the art world. These are expensive pieces now. That journey from invisibility, marginalization of
the human being, to his death, to his artwork being museum-worthy, is what I want to investigate.
You have said that the more autobiographical a poem sounds, the more fictional it is. While working on this manuscript,
you gave yourself assignments. You wrote poems from the voice of a vulture, a child with 18 arms, and a man on the bus
in the ’80s; to prove that language is elastic. What kind of assignments are you giving yourself now?
ECC: I think of something crazy because I need to get outside of my mind, rituals, and
habits. Sometimes I’ll be walking through the city and each time I step in a crack in the sidewalk, I think of “step
on a crack, break your mothers back,” the childhood saying, but to challenge myself, each time I step on a crack,
I have to come up with a metaphor.
On the subway, I put in my ear buds but I don’t listen to the music.
Nobody knows that, so people around me think I’m listening to music, but really I’m paying attention and they
are free to say crazy things, or let down their guard a little bit. Sometimes they say really interesting things. When
I first arrived in the city, I heard a young woman tell her mother—I remember tweeting this—"I hate the
mirror because it makes me look like you." It was devastating. The girl must have been in her mid-teens
and her mother in her mid-forties. Things like that are in my notebooks, and I keep thinking about it. It’s disturbing,
isn’t it? Utterly cruel. We know teenagers say so many mean things to their loved ones all the time. I did. I’m
sure my nieces and nephews are going to be saying very terrible things coming up soon. That’s adolescence for you.
always tell young writers to keep their ears open. One bit of overheard language can lead you somewhere unexpected. It’s
not just language either. Sometimes when I’m walking around the city, I will take out my hand and drag my fingertips
along a wall, tree, fence, or metal surface just to see what kind of association I have with the texture. You never know
what’s going to pop into your head, so always reach out. Try to use your senses. In Central Park, I like to sit on
the bench, close my eyes, and see what my ears pick up. Once you shut your eyes, you hear things differently. You never
know who the speaker is. If I hear somebody talking, I tune out what they are saying, but I try to imagine the person
who’s speaking it. I try to jot down a description in my notebook because you never know what will come to you. It’s
a crazy process (laughter), but you just have to keep at it.
I never get tired of drafting,
revising, or thinking about poetry. Some days its serious work, but other times playing with language is fun and surprising.
I’m always thinking about language or trying to eavesdrop on it. I’m having a good time doing that.
Click here to view and listen to an interview with Eduardo C. Corral as part of the "Spotlight on U.S. Hispanic Writers"
series presented by the Library of Congress
An interview @ Barn Owl Review
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