I, Roger Reeves, hereby pledge that I will not come back
to this city, if this city will not come back to me.
I leave the children waving their flags and wrists
at a dark sky, without worrying about the coconut tree
dropping its wintered fruit upon their heads.
I leave the man with his one leg turned backward
to walk this
street twice as pure contradiction.
I leave the heron on the roof, the dachshunds
scrambling over the cobblestone
in their black
patent-leather shoes, and the flies to open-wide
and swallow as much melon as they can before
and that same melon is between my lips.
I leave puddles at the end of driveways
them, to float, tiny fronds of a flower
that I cannot name but the woman beside me can.
I leave the fresh
bread in wire baskets and the old women
to point at each roll they wish to place in their mouths.
the opera house, its green domes draped in gold,
the cobbler and his glue, the mechanic and his belly,
I leave rain to wash every bare foot in this city.
I leave the children’s thirst on the metro
to a pink pen that no longer holds ink.
I leave the numbers by which I know this city,
and apartheids, its mornings,
its slips of paper, its slivers and its seeds,
its dry floors and short showers,
that cannot distinguish between the blue of morning
and the blue of night. I leave the coffee
onto the floor of the bus, your hand between my legs—
I leave, I leave—this will surely leave
In A Brief, Animated World: The Marriage of Anne of Denmark to James of Scotland,
Nature always begins with resistance—
The small congregation of ants refusing
To allow the femur bone of the fox
To rest, meatless, the heavy head of flies
In January straying from the graves
Which are the corners of this house—
The four Negroes at Queen Anne’s wedding
Dancing in the snow,
naked, before her
Carriage, the creak of carriage wheels
Counting out steps—1-2-3-Turn-Jump-
arms wide as goose wings,
Bow, then a breaking at the waist,
Mucus spills from their mouths onto—
before a guest from Oslo can point
To the blood-tinged saliva, the wagon wheels
Gather every stitch of spit, grind,
Then smear—the body, if allowed,
Will dance even as it is ruined—a mule
Collapsing in a furrow it’s
The sway and undulation of the famished—
There are no straight lines but unto death—
Four men turning circles in the snow—
The arch of their toes calling Anne to lean
Forward, admire the work
of the unshod
Sinking below all this white. She thinks:
In a brief, animated world, this would not be
Agony. The leg of her fox stole slips
From her shoulders and points to the men
Shivering in their last
plié. Yes, she thinks,
But agony is sometimes necessary.
Against its Own Ringing
More than once I’ve asked a body to scatter
And have received that scattering.
More than once, a scar. More than once a scare-
Crow watching the corn of another’s body
Sing and break beneath my marble eyes, my exhausted feet.
More than once, I’ve been a bell broken
Against its own ringing. A kind of meadow unified
By the barest imagination broken.
Even if I could take the diamonds down from your hair,
Unsnack the woolen snood of desire
Worn about your head like a broken chandelier, winter
Leers at us from this spring’s browning
Timothy, the deer tangled in the tines of a barbwire fence.
The children in the creek mis-practicing
baptizing of John, his head held below the water
Until a crown of metallic fish gather about it. How else
Shall ruin announce itself if not in one body touching
from King Me, selected by Guest Editor, Mark J. Brewin
poems have appeared or are forthcoming in journals such as Poetry, Ploughshares, American Poetry
Review, Boston Review and Tin House, among others. Kim Addonizio selected his “Kletic of Walt
Whitman” for the Best New Poets 2009 anthology, and he has been awarded a 2013 NEA Fellowship, a 2013 Pushcart
Prize, a 2008 Ruth Lilly Fellowship from the Poetry Foundation, two Bread Loaf Scholarships, an Alberta H. Walker Scholarship
from the Provincetown Fine Arts Work Center and two Cave Canem Fellowships. He earned his PhD from the University of Texas
and is currently an assistant professor of poetry at the University of Illinois–Chicago. His first book, King
Me, is just out from Copper Canyon Press.
Love Roger Reeves: a review of Roger Reeves' King Me by Wesley Rothman, first published at The
after the New Year, the Poetry Society of America shared the responses of Black poets to the question, “What’s
African American about African American Poetry?” in its ongoing “Yet Do I Marvel” feature. Among those
who responded are Jericho Brown, LaTasha N. Nevada Diggs, and Harmony Holiday, all of who have richly honest things to say.
In his response, Roger Reeves addresses the premise of the question,
noting that it “still traffics in several fictions—the fiction of stable identity, the fiction of essential
blackness, the fiction that aesthetics and aesthetic choices follow the biopolitical, the sociological […] Rather
than spend five hundred words deconstructing the fictitious nature of identity, I would like to answer what I believe to
be the spirit of the question: how are poets of African descent shaping, changing, conversing with, engaging, trafficking,
and subverting the Tradition (American, African-American, Surrealist, the list could go on), canon and canon formation.”
He observes that some Black poets “make the past visible, show mastery of form, but like Basquiat, they somehow
break it, deform it, and disappear it,” and others “break from traditional notions of the lyric and often in
highly conceptual fashion.” Black poets are constantly engaging “aesthetic, political, and cultural work on
Reeves draws the readers’ attention
to writers such as Terrance Hayes, Natasha Trethewey, Kevin Young, Douglass Kearney, and Dawn Lundy Martin, among others,
and reminds us of the staggering influence Black poets such as Amiri Baraka, Lucille Clifton, Ai, Evie Shockley, Yusef
Komunyakaa, Harryette Mullen, Carl Phillips, Tyehimba Jess, Cornelius Eady, Toi Derricotte, Nikki Giovanni, Claudia Rankine,
Rita Dove, Tracy K. Smith, and so many more, have had on American poetry.
In an interview with Nidya Sarria of the Miami New Times in October of 2011, Reeves discusses his approach
to craft, resounding the major points of his response to the Poetry Society:
Poetry as a practice also allows me to render traumatic and not-so traumatic events in a way that puts me back
in control of the event […] Often, poetry is a private conversation that is had between oneself and one’s
other self, which means that poetry is always public and yet personal […] I am interested in corralling sound into
patterns that hopefully bring delight, but I am also interested in troubling my reader–nothing easy, nothing without
a little blood and bleeding.
to the ear, and never easy, Reeves’s poetry weaves between everyday speech and, in the words of Dean Young—a
noted influence of Reeves’s—“the poet’s strange contraption / of syntax and song.” Reeves
bends lines, sentences, and stanzas into sculptures of highly textured language, wherein the mind and pathos of the
lyric voice is complex and challenging. Take, for example, the straightforward opening of the poem “Pledge”:
I, Roger Reeves, hereby pledge that I will not come
to this city, if this city will not come back to me.
I leave the children’s thirst on the metro
next to a pink pen that no longer holds ink.
the numbers by which I know this city,
its epistemologies and apartheids, its mornings,
its slips of paper, its
slivers and its seeds,
its dry floors and short showers,
that cannot distinguish between the blue of morning
and the blue of night. I leave the coffee spilled
onto the floor of the bus, your hand between my legs—
I leave, I leave—this will surely leave a stain.
There is some beauty in the worlds of Reeves’s poems—certainly beauty of language, mind, and form—but
“nothing without a little blood and bleeding.” The poems in his collection travel, leading readers across
the landscapes of America and the world. In “Cross Country,” the lyric voice hums:
Nigger in the twilight that is no longer a twilight
but a black creek
fumbling along the spine of a boy
who is running through a city that is running out of water.
Even the lions have
left for the mountains.
This is America speaking in translation, in glitter,
in gold grills and fried chicken.
Auto-tune this if you must.
Cher will be singing in the brush of static from the attic
radio, believing in love
after love or life after love
despite the impure thoughts of evening, despite
the rain soaking the red head of
a red bird
now dead in a puddle that refuses to reflect the moon.
Reeves depicts the country’s confused darkness, its ignorance disguised as faux knowledge, perhaps, its
problematic simplification of its people (reminiscent of the question, “What’s African-American about African-American
Poetry?”). This is a country running from itself, manipulating voices into what it wants to hear, placing its faith
in a half-hope and trying its best to ignore the ugly and gruesome parts of life. Nature is not always glamorous or glitzy:
the exodus of lions for their survival, dead birds on the sidewalk, a puddle choosing to not reflect moonlight
proves this darkness. Why might we as individuals or a society expect any more luster and bliss? As Reeves travels on,
in “Southern Charm,” he wonders,
in your speakerboxxx? The love below.
The gospel of Young Money Millionaires. Maybe,
Faulkner or Chaucer. A Parliament
squabbling over the late-afternoon sun
that fills each blackbird’s fat throat.
I refuse to
explain the head and source
of the South’s distemper? Oh Hamlet,
North Carolina, and the fallow winds
Loosening the topsoil of my lover’s body.
Oh son of the mute sharecropper. Oh bent
guitar and shattered
body at the foot of a mockingbird,
what nation, what native land does nature salute?
With each poem, Reeves pulls together the past and the fresh present’s
barrage of culture, asking readers to consider their cultural, political, and historical milieu. He places Young Money
Millionaires in a line with Faulkner and Chaucer. He sits nature next to auto-tune. He speaks with everything near him
and begs for answers to honest, hard questions. “What native land does nature salute?” It’s up to the
reader to wonder too. Reeves fashions many self-portraits throughout King Me, showing readers the essential nature
of empathy. In one, Reeves speaks as Guillaume-Benjamin-Amand Duchenne de Boulogne, nineteenth century master of
When treating madness, place
over the moon rising above the nation.
If the asylum refuses you admittance, go
to the state
house and call yourself the elect.
Carry nothing that cannot fail in winter. Often,
I carry the stars of madness
home with a pinch
of honey. Bees are the only fruit of my kingdom.
In another, the poet becomes jazz trumpeter and vocalist Ernestine “Tiny” Davis, commanding the lyric
voices of his own mind and craft, and orchestrating a community of voices, calling out questions, reaching for answers,
and making human demands:
Call me tiny,
anything small: an acorn
lodged in the throat of a thrush. Choke. A claw
squeezed from the purple head of a flower.
A hunk of pork butt plucked from the gums
and placed back onto the tongue. Gag. Then swallow.
me. Call my appetite a kind kingdom.
Call me Queen. King me.
Just as his response to the Poetry Society of America’s question offers rigorous thought, feeling, and form,
each poem in King Me challenges readers with similar rigor. Perhaps we should see madness in our society, in
our kingdom, in ourselves. Language should madden us at times, as should the way we treat one another.
With the difficulty and blood of these poems comes the challenge of what
we readers must do in our own lives. We must listen to the testament of Ernestine Davis, or Roger Reeves, or the student
in our class, or the guy on the corner, or the politician in an other-colored state, or the survivor of genocide. We must
swallow and make sense for ourselves. On a train from Rio de Janeiro, Reeves writes:
I come with the dead tucked in-
to my duffle, my genocides
folded into my wallet and you
yours and we shout
across the chasm of this train car
comparing whose dead sing louder
or more often or
Is this Africa: a slit trench
and a split lip, a photograph
of a police chief smoking a cigar
as the ear of a dead child catches his ash.
Why isn’t my hand
dropping these slices of orange
your tongue, Diaspora?
Why have I come to Brazil, Brother?
To infiltrate the black movement.
His lyric voices search for his place in the world and for the
places of others. With a nod to some of his most important influences, Wallace Stevens and Terrance Hayes, Reeves renovates
a discovery about silence and sound, language and its absence:
Like the women circling the green muscles of a horse
that stands atop a casket in the municipal parterre,
unable to locate their dead, I, too, having lost
faith in silence have placed my faith in silence.
In his poem, “An Ordinary Evening in New Haven,” Stevens discovers the divinity of description and
language: “The description that makes it divinity, still speech / As it touches the point of reverberation—not
grim / Reality but reality grimly seen // And spoken in paradisal parlance new.” And in “Snow for Wallace
Stevens,” Terrence Hayes likewise reorients his confrontation with this discovery: “I too, having lost faith
/ in language, have placed my faith in language.” Reeves comes to a similar discovery: “I, too, having lost
/ faith in silence have placed my faith in silence.”
For Reeves, the innovation and divinity of language is as essential as genuinely listening to it and understanding
its implications. He is willing to lose language in order to truly gain it. He asks readers to be silent in order to find
their own language through the voices in these poems. He closes his debut collection with the hopeful title, “Someday
I’ll Love Roger Reeves,”
press nevertheless. For this is our obligation.
Let us forget our obligations. For this is love.
Let us forget
our love. Our eyelids’ need for beginnings
ends and blood. Our coils of hunger
that turn another into dried honey on our hands.
And what if this goes on forever—our ours?
Our drafts and fragments? Our blizzards and our cancers?
Then let us. Then, let us hold each other toward heaven
forget that we were once made of flesh,
that this is the fall our gods refuse to clean with fire or water.
We are not born loving ourselves. It is difficult, and we must
want and learn to do so. On our way to loving ourselves, there will be self-discoveries and realities of the world that
will be difficult to swallow. But we must swallow them in order to one day love ourselves. Reeves battles the questions
and gruesomeness of the world with a syntax and texture all his own. He considers the universal in the personal, the idea
in the sound, and the person in natural and unnatural contexts, asking, “How can I be the most decent human being
possible? How can we become a more decent world?” Roger Reeves challenges readers to become better versions of themselves,
better for themselves and for others.
with Roger Reeves by Aaron Bauer
Aaron Bauer: In "Pledge" and "Against its Own Ringing," there's some heavy
anaphora going on. What attracts you to this poetic device? What effects does it have on you when you read these poems?
Roger Reeves: I'm attracted to anaphora because it is
poetry par excellence-repetition with change. Anaphora at once calls back even as it hurtles forward. It revises what came
before even as it makes something new. Anaphora is a type of off rhyme in that it retains elements of prior image, linguistic
event, sound, but through change it disrupts the symmetry. We might call this an asymmetrical symmetry. Or, we me call it
the blues. Or, we might the changing same, rift and refrain. Anaphora also allows for the state of trance which is much like
the state of prayer. Through anaphora, the constant repetition of the phrase or word, that repeated word or phrase becomes
defamiliarized or made strange. The repeated phrase or word loses meaning and also gains stranger sonic significance over
time. Anaphora shifts language back to sound rather than sense. I think the effect of anaphora is that you begin to question
whether you understand the repeated word or phrase at all.
The poem "Pledge" is an assumed form, taking the shape-obviously-of a pledge. What similarities do you see in
the characteristics of a pledge and a poem? What characteristics of a pledge do you feel the poem subverts?
RR: Both a pledge and a poem are types of commitment. They're
also both speech acts. Here, I am referring to J.L. Austin's How to do things with Words. In How to do things
with Words, Austin delineates two forms of utterances-the constantive utterance and the speech act. The constantive
utterance is one that identifies or represents. For instance: this is a pen. Whereas, a speech act is one that seeks to
enact or make via the linguistic event. For instance: I now pronounce you man and wife. Or, I christen this ship Zong. In
the speech act, the locutionary act has a perlocutionary effect, that effect being either a union between two individuals
or a ship being named. The pledge does a similar thing. In taking a pledge, one gives one's word to uphold, defend, fight
for whatever one is allying oneself with. Similarly, the poem (here I invoke Octavio Paz's notion that a poem must be more
than noun; it must also be a verb) enacts and produces an experience. The poem, ideally, should be more than a re-presentation
of a moment. It should itself be an experience unto itself. I think my "Pledge" subverts the collectivist call
of pledges. My "pledge" is not an affirmation of nation, patriotism, or a collectivist identity. It does not reify
the nation linguistically. In fact, my "pledge" seeks to dismantle it, seeks to disrupt collectivist identities.
Also, my "pledge" does not seek unity but it's opposite. "Pledge" is an affirmation of the stain, stink,
and disingenuousness of nation. My "pledge" accounts for the refuse of nation-what is left behind, what is left
in the margins in trying to create the smooth narrative of union, national identity, and community.
AB: "Pledge" alternates stanzas of three and two lines. As I read it, I feel that I
am almost limping, each step an inconsistent length, which I think is perfect of a speakers inner-struggle to live up to
his pledge. What do you think of this reading? When you are writing and revising, how long does it take you before you feel
that a poem has arrived at its true form? Are you always tinkering with stanzas or line length or does a poem present itself
in pretty much the form that it will stay in?
Form matches content seems to be your read. And I would tend to agree. However, I read the deployment of the stanzaic arrangement
a bit differently. I am thinking about the heroic couplet-and the couplet more generally-as it might be in conversation
with the tercet. The couplet allows for a mirroring, a doubling. My favorite couplets are ones wherein the second line contradicts
the first or the second line nuances the first in a manner that is surprising and unexpected; whereas the tercet offers
the poet something akin to blues-a stability in the first two lines then a rift that is also a bit of resolution. The inner-struggle
which you pick up on quite correctly is most manifest in the imagery. There's both tenderness and vulnerability in the images-"...the
dachshunds / scrambling over the pavement in their black / patent leather shoes..." In this image-there's a bit of humor,
folly, but there is also menace-the dachshunds are scrambling, not walking or ambling lightly. Also, within an image in
the poem, the language points two directions at once-towards rot, decay, and annihilation as well as flailing against
rot, decay, and annihilation.
In terms of knowing when
a poem begins to settle into its form-that answer varies. One poem arrives at its form differently than another. In the
case of "Pledge," the poem started in this form-couplet then tercet then couplet. I had been reading and re-reading
Terrance Hayes' Wind in a Box over and over again. In the collection, he has several poems titled "Wind in
a Box" that takes this form. I began investigating the music that's created through this alternate stanzaic pattern.
This type of stanzaic pattern lends itself to lists, what we in poetry call the catalogue. This form lends itself to accretion.
And through accretion, one is lead to declaration-hence the pledge. The pledge, much like a poem, is as much about what
is given and what is withheld. Yes, I am always tinkering with line length, with stanzaic structure, with commas, with images.
Often, I am trying to achieve the most surprising image, line-break, sound that one could concoct. I think of one of Robert
Frost's declaration concerning poetry: "no surprise for the writer, no surprise for the reader." Revision is one
the areas wherein we as writers can cultivate surprise.
There are some clever line breaks in these three poems. For example, a line break from "Against its Own Ringing"
reads: "More than once, a scar. More than once a scare- / Crow watching the corn of another's body." This visually
draws attention to the similarity in spelling between "scar" and "scare," even though the actual word
used in the poem is "scarecrow." Talk to us a bit about this line break and about line breaks more generally.
RR: As I was saying, I am always looking
for surprises. I'm looking for sonic and visual associations. That moment is the actual fun of language, when language is
most like a trumpet or piano for me, quite simply, when language is at its most musical. Though sense-making produces its
own pleasure, there's nothing more pleasurable than making sonic sense. I think the line break is the moment of chaos in
the poem, the moment of disruption, but it also the moment of unity, the moment of order. And that's what I seek to do.
I seek to point the reader in both directions-chaos and order-at once. I also seek to enhance and disrupt the whole sense-making
process. I am always trying to write a poem wherein which the lines contradict the sentence or the stanza. I love the notion
of simultaneity and discord. It probably stems back to piano and falling in love with I-V-VII chords. It's also my love of
jazz. Jazz (and I'm making it sound homogenous when I'm probably thinking of bop and late bop era jazz) musicians, jazz
improvisation, jazz chording and melody often seek to embrace disharmony, discord as a type of harmony. Think Monk. I'm
interested in something similar-idiosyncratic melodies played rhythmically and a-rhythmically. The line break allows the
poet to perform such a task through the controlling of breath and sound.
AB: Both "In a Brief, Animated World" and "Pledge" bring up topics of suffering,
racism, and oppression. However, the poems seem to intentionally avoid any possible solutions to these issues. "Pledge"
seems to abandon these issues, choosing to leave "the man with his one leg turned backward" and "the children's
thirst on the metro." "In a Brief, Animated World" ends with the line: "But agony is sometimes necessary."
Do you think there is a duty of a poet to his subject? Is there a line that a poet shouldn't cross? Is there a line that
poets are obliged to cross?
think both of the poems you mentioned are concerned with suffering, but they are discussing very different types of suffering.
For instance, though I do not state it and it isn't necessary to understand the poem, "Pledge" is set, if you
will, in modern-day Rio de Janeiro whereas "In a Brief, Animated World: The Marriage of Anne of Denmark to James of
Scotland, 1589" is set in 1589 before the modern constructions of race, therefore before modern notions of racism.
Exoticism existed in 1589; however, these poems we might say act as bookends. For instance, European colonialism is just
getting under way in 1589 whereas in "Pledge," we see what European colonialism has made of the new world-the
detritus, the refuse, its apartheids and epistemologies. In fact, "In a Brief, Animated World," can be read allegorically.
Those four black men dancing naked in the snow is exactly the situation of the slave working the plantation, which prepares
us and precedes the prison industrial complex.
that's not what you've asked me about. You've asked me ‘what is the duty of the poet to his subject.'
The duty of the poet is to write a good poem. The subject matter becomes
the linguistic, imaginative, and aesthetic landscape through which the poem is made. The subject or subject matter offers
perspective, language, lens, intellectual nuance. All lines should always be crossed. However, there is an ethics in "crossing"
lines. But generally, poets should disobey borders, boundaries, demarcations, lines. Break all the rules. And then, sometimes,
AB: There is a lot weighing
on the word "Animated" in the title "In A Brief, Animated World: The Marriage of Anne of Denmark to James
of Scotland, 1589" and in the poem itself. Thinking of it as animated-as in a cartoon-defuses the horror of the situation,
and looking at the root of animated (from the Latin root animāre, meaning to fill with breath, to make alive),
the meaning is ironic given the subject. Why choose to approach this historical event through an "animated" lens?
What perspectives does this shift open to the poem's reader?
RR: I never thought about cartoons when I used the term animated in the title. I thought about
power, orientalism, subjection as animating forces. While the term might seem ironic because the men that are dancing in
the snow die, it is actually quite un-ironic in that their bodies are being animated-driven, compelled-because of Anne of
Denmark's fascination with black skin. The black body is fungible, and often, throughout history, animated by forces other
than its own. I chose to approach the historical event through the notion of animation because Anne of Denmark's desire
and fascination with black skin in a snow storm is an aesthetic fascination. Often, I think we think of racial oppression,
colonialism, and the annihilation of Africa only as a political venture, as a political animation. However, I think there
is an aesthetic to colonization, to imperialism, to genocide. This might sound horrendous, but people wouldn't participate
in oppressions, colonialism, genocides if there weren't a beauty to it though that beauty is often coupled with horror.
But both beauty and horror are attractive elements to the human (i.e. Halloween, horror movies, roller coasters). I think
we have relegated the social sphere, social phenomenon to the sociological, anthropological, and the political. However,
there is an aesthetic to oppression, to the banality of evil, the everyday scenes of subjection.
AB: Still looking at "In A Brief, Animated World," a fox appears at the beginning and
near the end of the poem. Why such an emphasis on a "character" or image that plays a somewhat minor role in the
narrative the poem portrays?
I don't know if I will provide a satisfactory answer to this question, but the fox is a bit of an obsession for me. Lucille
Clifton had a bunch of fox poems that I adore. Also, the fox is the trickster figure, a character that undercuts and subverts.
The second time the fox appears in the poem, his dead leg points to the black men shivering in their last plié. What
is expected is a moment of compassion; however, Anne's response is one that agony is necessary. This moment of subversion
is a moment of tricksterism. The fox signals to the reader that one cannot be too certain of what comes next.
AB: The lines in "Against its Own Ringing" have
an extra space between them. What does this white space add to the poem in your mind? How does it change the feeling of
the poem for you?
RR: With the white
space, I hope to open up more space. Each line becomes akin to a stanza but it is not a stanza. In that, the extra white
space provides more silence. Unlike music, poets don't have notation for silences, for rests. We have to build it into the
page. However, we do have white space. White space becomes the manifestation of silence, rest, deliberation, soundlessness.
What I hope the additional white space does to the feeling of the poem is that it lengthens the encounter. I hope to add
duration and through the duration, strangeness-a defamiliarization.
AB: Any books of poetry you've read lately that you would recommend?
RR: The Earth Avails, Mark Wunderlich; Silverchest, Carl Phillips; Aeneid,
Virgil; Pisan Cantos, Ezra Pound; Faithful and Virtuous Night, Louise Glück; The Stories of Breece
D'J Pancake, Breece Pancake; The Flamethrowers, Rachel Kushner; The Corrections, Jonathon Franzen.
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